(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2009 US Go Congress Board 1 - Jianing Gan vs Myung-Wan Kim ]PW[Myung-Wan Kim]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[8p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-02]EV[US Open]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Matthew Luce]RE[W+20.00]
;B[qd]C[Ras [19k\]: GL to both!
USGO1 [-\]: There are some problems with the clock
gentlerain [-\]: omg
USGO1 [-\]: And a light, warm rain just began outside
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;W[dd]C[USGO1 [-\]: problem with clock resolved
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;B[pq]C[Protonics [6k\]: 8p?!
toople [11k\]: i guess the clock is not integrated with kgs
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;W[od]C[DrunkElk: you mean, "gentle rain" ?
USGO1 [-\]: nope, the kgs clocks don't move, but you can ask for time updates
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;B[ld]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: Go Jianing Gan!
DrunkElk: y, do u know him?
cashcow [4d\]: i bet on Kim
cashcow [4d\]: he is 8p... how can he lose?
Singer [1k?\]: It's Tartrate! :D
USGO1 [-\]: white is deliberating significantly longer than black
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;W[jc]C[toople [11k\]: is usgo1 the guy typing in the ustream on eurogotv beside the players?
cashcow [4d\]: trick move
maksymko [6k\]: LL corner feels empty
USGO1 [-\]: yes the guy in the red shirt
takagawa13 [3k\]: wow 
toople [11k\]: heheh hi and thanks :)
takagawa13 [3k\]: 8p
sabren [4k?\]: do you have a link ?
meuns [2k\]: tartrate !
Protonics [6k\]: is this joseki?
masek [-\]: Hi all
masek [-\]: seems game will be complicated!
meuns [2k\]: tartrate is playing
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;B[pf]C[masek [-\]: Other is Girl ?
masek [-\]: or Guy?
USGO1 [-\]: both guys
masek [-\]: Oh Nice :) wish them good game from Masek !
Ras [19k\]: http://tr.im/v9ny
USGO1 [-\]: b is rubbing his eyes
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;W[qc]C[meuns [2k\]: ^^
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:   OHHH, Kim is 8p !
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;B[rc]
;W[of]C[meuns [2k\]: you didn't remenber tartrate !
gelda [2k\]: k17 is joseki ?
masek [-\]: Finally i have Weiqi TV :)
meuns [2k\]: red fishes...
masek [-\]: yes k17 some kind of joseki modern
]
;B[og]C[robertwmr [2d\]: what is 8p?
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;W[pe]C[meuns [2k\]: 8d pro
robertwmr [2d\]: 7d?
meuns [2k\]: from korea
]
;B[qe]
;W[pg]
;B[qf]
;W[nf]C[robertwmr [2d\]: play 7d of KGS?
robertwmr [2d\]: jcking
gelda [2k\]: thx masek
VanEeden [5d\]: look at this shape w makes...
meuns [2k\]: ^^
meuns [2k\]: seems poor
sameasyou [2d\]: p12?
meuns [2k\]: p12 
asrai [7k\]: light?
VanEeden [5d\]: apparently, 8p doesn't care if it looks poor
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;B[ng]C[sameasyou [2d\]: it doesn't look poor
Dogen [5k\]: do any of the people in the top boards even live in the US?
gopro [1k\]: well excuse me but theres only one gopro on KGS, thats me ;)
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;W[mf]C[laks [4d\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: b looks ready for a fight
laks [4d\]: but i am a progo
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;B[mg]C[laks [4d\]: much better
USGO1 [-\]: b is one of the youngest players here in the strong player room
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:    hello glint
norg [3k\]: b has influence. W should resign
Ras [19k\]: do u know his age?
asrai [7k\]: How old?
InABuzz [-\]: b would o16?
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;W[lg]C[derp [1k\]: w is http://senseis.xmp.net/?KimMyungwan
InABuzz [-\]: o16 looks nice
BenSenTen [?\]: wow  8p...never saw any 8p played here b4
InABuzz [-\]: but of course no time
]
;B[lf]C[toople [11k\]: wow
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;W[le]C[sameasyou [2d\]: fight it to the bone
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;B[kf]C[InABuzz [-\]: are they from korea? concording to their fights
BenSenTen [?\]: it must be very safe to bet on w
mitora [6k\]: is this really pro vs ama?
VanEeden [5d\]: korean 8p short of cash, to start playing in usgo?
Ras [19k\]: he lives in LA
InABuzz [-\]: 7dan ama sooo strong lol
InABuzz [-\]: b has a chance of course
USGO1 [-\]: Jianing is Chinese
InABuzz [-\]: thx USGO!
BenSenTen [?\]: b's name like a chinese
takagawa13 [3k\]: seems to be good for black
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;W[lh]C[VanEeden [5d\]: sure, b has a chance, but still unusual for pro to play in ama tournament
InABuzz [-\]: o11 only move :P
baian [1d\]: i will predict a game of ongoing fighting
meuns [2k\]: q12 
sameasyou [2d\]: when will u predict that?
mitora [6k\]: poor m16 and m14 are floating
InABuzz [-\]: q12 slow?
kjp [1k\]: does everybody else have about 12 sec delay on the video
VanEeden [5d\]: lol
BenSenTen [?\]: q12?
minismurf [-\]: well it kind of started already
baian [1d\]: =)
InABuzz [-\]: m16 soo much aji
minismurf [-\]: so it is not such a surprising prediction at this point
BenSenTen [?\]: q12 good move to k to p players
InABuzz [-\]: o11
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;B[ph]C[Youssev [5d\]: n15 ?
InABuzz [-\]: lol
BenSenTen [?\]: :)
]
;W[ke]C[BenSenTen [?\]: c
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;B[jf]C[VanEeden [5d\]: b overstretched
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;W[je]C[GoGetta [-\]: Is that joseki?
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;B[if]C[InABuzz [-\]: w is pushing from behind
InABuzz [-\]: lol gogetta
Youssev [5d\]: k12
Elscouta [2k\]: territory on 5th line is usually not joseki
VanEeden [5d\]: w pushing from behind, but b is already cut in 2
ftroiset [2d\]: but on the 5t-h line
VanEeden [5d\]: so, not very strong
InABuzz [-\]: w too van eden^^
toople [11k\]: incredible white
VanEeden [5d\]: haha! but w is LIGHT ^^
BenSenTen [?\]: i like b style
trout [4d\]: w is lucky that b didn't play n15 instead of q12.
InABuzz [-\]: still o16 or?
cashcow [4d\]: kill HIM!
Socratizer [5k\]: does anyone know if Myungwan intends to live in the US for good, or just for a few years?
KillerMonk [4d\]: whites takes sente to play first in the centre  as compensation
klabauter [2d\]: w is tartrate!
meuns [2k\]: yes ^^
VanEeden [5d\]: there's still an empty oner
BenSenTen [?\]: b likes to take risk
meuns [2k\]: jianing gan ?
meuns [2k\]: AGA 7d ?
BenSenTen [?\]: r u sure?
USGO1 [-\]: that is what his identification reads
BenSenTen [?\]: tartrate like kind of chemical...
mitora [6k\]: play in empty corner!
sameasyou [2d\]: k11
Fredrik [-\]: .
GoGetta [-\]: I checked k17 is joseki
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;W[pc]C[meuns [2k\]: e3
VanEeden [5d\]: w considering Q17
meuns [2k\]: e3
InABuzz [-\]: see erase aji first
sameasyou [2d\]: k11
VanEeden [5d\]: oh sorry
InABuzz [-\]: now b can attack
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;B[pd]C[BenSenTen [?\]: l11 attack!
meuns [2k\]: tenuki
meuns [2k\]: e3
InABuzz [-\]: j15
sameasyou [2d\]: can't tenuki
BenSenTen [?\]: or m11 
VanEeden [5d\]: b cannot attack. w will simply leave the two stones alone, for now
InABuzz [-\]: j15 for b next?
meuns [2k\]: b p15 => wo16 ?
BenSenTen [?\]: then b has big center
VanEeden [5d\]: b has nothing... yet ^^
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;W[oc]
;B[oe]C[meuns [2k\]: e3 !
BenSenTen [?\]: b has s 14,15,16 at least
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;W[md]C[InABuzz [-\]: j15
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;B[ji]C[oddalot [7k\]: td vs 9p?
BenSenTen [?\]: yeah!!
oddalot [7k\]: 7d*
Sheeple [3k\]: still wrong
oddalot [7k\]: so it's going to be a slaugter?
]
;W[qm]C[VanEeden [5d\]: R7, nice
takagawa13 [3k\]: yes
BenSenTen [?\]: r5?
gelda [2k\]: m11  small ?
siulongbao [7k\]: is that 8p vs 7d ?
siulongbao [7k\]: O_o
BenSenTen [?\]: m7 bigger
oddalot [7k\]: err i meant 8p heh
InABuzz [-\]: r5
InABuzz [-\]: and d4 after?
Zvi [3k\]: p7
goshko [8k\]: 010
odolany [3k\]: q9?
gopro [1k\]: never seen R7 before
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;B[qo]C[InABuzz [-\]: next d4 ^^
BenSenTen [?\]: not innovative enough?
Socratizer [5k\]: super-pincer avoidance, I guess
KillerMonk [4d\]: Black is a chinese kid that has just arrived in Canada about a year and a bit 
BenSenTen [?\]: r10?
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;W[qj]C[DonValley [?\]: this the US open?
cashcow [4d\]: r5 direction looks wrong
InABuzz [-\]: q8 first?
KillerMonk [4d\]: I my memory serves me correct, he has studied to become pro. He has also had some very good results in the world youth championship
USGO1 [-\]: this is the US Open, yes
DonValley [?\]: ok
BenSenTen [?\]: s8 or s9?
InABuzz [-\]: id q8 or d4
goshko [8k\]: agree cashcow
DonValley [?\]: Killermonk, i dont thinkm hes been to world youth championship
oddalot [7k\]: you guys have a nice array of colored shirts i see, red orange blue
sameasyou [2d\]: p9
baumwolle [8k?\]: e3 
InABuzz [-\]: p9 better than q8?
BenSenTen [?\]: why direction wrong ?
InABuzz [-\]: hmm
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;B[pl]C[InABuzz [-\]: aiI!!
sameasyou [2d\]: it seems not :)
cashcow [4d\]: because of m12 aji
toople [11k\]: ooo what a squeeze
cashcow [4d\]: s12 is sente later
cashcow [4d\]: B giving up too much now
VanEeden [5d\]: w S12 very attractive
InABuzz [-\]: b o11 big gote or?
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;W[rh]C[sc1003 [5k\]: wat is a big gote
toople [11k\]: @vaneeden :)
InABuzz [-\]: big but gote
sc1003 [5k\]: o
InABuzz [-\]: :P
sc1003 [5k\]: lol
goshko [8k\]: gote oposite of sente?
InABuzz [-\]: id o11 now
sc1003 [5k\]: yea
goshko [8k\]: thx
Sheeple [3k\]: so um, how does w live after r8?
VanEeden [5d\]: ha! the pro could not resist temtation ^^
cashcow [4d\]: so B direction is wrong
USGO1 [-\]: Kim Myung Wan (born 1978) is an 8d Korean Professional who has taken up residence in the Los Angeles area (as of 2008)
VanEeden [5d\]: S112 90% sente
BenSenTen [?\]: more info about b pls
VanEeden [5d\]: S12
USGO1 [-\]: IN 2008, he won the US Open with a score of 6-0, defeating Jiang Mingjiu by 1.5 in the final round. 
cashcow [4d\]: wow
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;B[qh]C[GoGetta [-\]: In golf?
cashcow [4d\]: jiang must have given too many teaching games
oddalot [7k\]: lol
Erimies [4d\]: :pp
Grokken [10k\]: wikipedia copy-paste :)
USGO1 [-\]: As of August 2008, he was second in AGA ratings behind Feng Yun
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;W[rg]
;B[qg]C[minismurf [-\]: not too bad if you ask me
VanEeden [5d\]: hey! b doesn't even have S13 anymore ^^
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;W[ql]C[BenSenTen [?\]: ok
oddalot [7k\]:  b is getting slaughtered
BenSenTen [?\]: thing will change
InABuzz [-\]: d4 now
USGO1 [-\]: At the 2008 Congress, he also played a historic demo game against MoGo
InABuzz [-\]: or q10?
USGO1 [-\]: on an 800 processor supercomputer
Moyonnaise [?\]: USGO1, Were all those statements about Myung-Wan Kim, or did you respond to "more info about b please"?
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;B[pk]C[oddalot [7k\]: he's talking about w
BenSenTen [?\]: let he finish w first
USGO1 [-\]: All Myung Wan Kim
USGO1 [-\]: hold on about b
goshko [8k\]: like better q10 for b
Moyonnaise [?\]: I'm in no rush, I was just checking. :)
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;W[qk]C[BenSenTen [?\]: ok, thx
zeph [3k\]: huge influence for b :(
InABuzz [-\]: now q10
takagawa13 [3k\]: r7 was so nice
USGO1 [-\]: Anyway, Mogo won with a 9 stone handicap by 1.5
Moyonnaise [?\]: A lot of cash for white, though.
BenSenTen [?\]: it's pro's nature
oddalot [7k\]: pfffttt he can't even beat a computer
BenSenTen [?\]: 9 stones
csgo [?\]: p6?
zeph [3k\]: a 5d computer
minismurf [-\]: a really nice tesuji from mogo in that game
minismurf [-\]: in lower right if i remember right
semiclassy [2d\]: is that game available somewhere?
sameasyou [2d\]: p6
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;B[pj]C[Erimies [4d\]: 5d computer awsome :d
InABuzz [-\]: again^^
USGO1 [-\]: Kim said later, the computer made a few 5dan moves
VanEeden [5d\]: P6 nice looking, but soft
sameasyou [2d\]: b plays gote a lot
VanEeden [5d\]: w Q10 leaves b shape crumbling
USGO1 [-\]: B was briefly clutching stones in his hand
cashcow [4d\]: i wish these guys will next time, go backstage play the game, and then come on stage and play the same game over, FASTER
InABuzz [-\]: p5 now?
BenSenTen [?\]: q10 seems necessary to ensure points at center
takagawa13 [3k\]: d4
takagawa13 [3k\]: now
takagawa13 [3k\]: or c4
minismurf [-\]: should be available, if nothing else in kgs archives
Moyonnaise [?\]: No points in the center yet. :)
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;W[dp]C[InABuzz [-\]: lol
loveHER [6d\]: why dont you watch game records then cashcow?
BenSenTen [?\]: e5?
loveHER [6d\]: you can watch them as fast as you want =)
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;B[fq]C[InABuzz [-\]: q7 huge
cashcow [4d\]: hmm... maybe that's a good idea
toople [11k\]: interesting to read eg vanEeden's comments on a live game... gives insight
Firebird [3k\]: maybe you should have two players who can play go good enough to memorize the game who play the game again, including acting and trading of insults ;)
takagawa13 [3k\]: c6
cashcow [4d\]: i would like to watch the players also grimace on stage
cashcow [4d\]: rub their eyes, etc
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;W[hq]C[Moyonnaise [?\]: cashcow, Only faster?
cashcow [4d\]: yupe
minismurf [-\]: B F5 is natural
InABuzz [-\]: c3
AurelienC [3d\]: f5 natural ? only move
InABuzz [-\]: sorry f5 , right
minismurf [-\]: well, then w can choose something unusual like L3 as well
takagawa13 [3k\]: isee
minismurf [-\]: or L4
minismurf [-\]: to make it harder for b to develop
BenSenTen [?\]: i may try e5
csgo [?\]: j4?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim is frowning and looking around
BenSenTen [?\]: instead of f5
takagawa13 [3k\]: l4
takagawa13 [3k\]: is not joseki
]
;B[fo]
;W[dn]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: lol@kim
Moyonnaise [?\]: takagawa, Joseki are local patterns.
BenSenTen [?\]: j4?
toople [11k\]: time?
Renju [-\]: joseki aint always the right play ;)
InABuzz [-\]: k4?
csgo [?\]: j4
Onmyoji [2d\]: live video?
loveHER [6d\]: maybe l3..
USGO1 [-\]: Http://tr.im/v9ny
InABuzz [-\]: low loveher?
InABuzz [-\]: hmm
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;B[ip]C[Moyonnaise [?\]: Takagawa, As Renju said, the joseki play is not always the best one.
minismurf [-\]: black moyo looks nice to me, but now Q7 becomes pretty important as well
Renju [-\]: got to consider thw whole board position
]
;W[eq]C[daikone [1d\]: for the moment, they are playing a joseki an no "special" variation as w l3 instead of a typical d6
takagawa13 [3k\]: this seems to be good for white
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;B[iq]C[csgo [?\]: p6?
loveHER [6d\]: white will get q7..
InABuzz [-\]: p5 if
InABuzz [-\]: or?
]
;W[fr]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: b seems young
loveHER [6d\]: black should ignore
]
;B[gq]C[loveHER [6d\]: q7 is huge
InABuzz [-\]: p5!
Ras [19k\]: i thought it might be worth mentioning, w DID beat MoGo with a 7h, but lost first when mogo had 9h
Stoepsel [3d\]: p6 
GeoProbe [4d\]: Q7 better than G3 i think
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;W[pm]C[loveHER [6d\]: so do i
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;B[om]
;W[on]C[BenSenTen [?\]: q7 is destructive to b's center
takagawa13 [3k\]: cut
]
;B[pn]C[InABuzz [-\]: oo b is chrashing
]
;W[nm]
;B[ol]
;W[oo]C[daikone [1d\]: g3 is enourmous: it also create some aji in the corner no? also, if not playing it, why did he play f3 in first place?
loveHER [6d\]: hmm, allready game over for black
BenSenTen [?\]: why?
loveHER [6d\]: he losses both the botom and the center now
mitora [6k\]: if white connects with m12 it's over
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;B[pp]C[BenSenTen [?\]: i doubt very much
GeoProbe [4d\]: daikone, things can change and one must adjust
KillerMonk [4d\]: this seems dangerous for white
majid [1d\]: light play now....
cashcow [4d\]: \]k5 
InABuzz [-\]: how light? lol
daikone [1d\]: it is a local patern: even people like me can thing about basic aswers as w h3 after b f3
BenSenTen [?\]: center w is weak n may not live
InABuzz [-\]: must life in bs mojo
tvirlip [5k?\]: l6
cashcow [4d\]: o3 
loveHER [6d\]: there is no way this will die
InABuzz [-\]: m6?
majid [1d\]: maybe just n6?
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;W[ro]C[InABuzz [-\]: wow
InABuzz [-\]: effective and simple
tangli [3k\]: w seems want to crash b
mitora [6k\]: sente points
goshko [8k\]: o3
sabren [4k?\]: tenuki
Stoepsel [3d\]: nope
darkboy [4k\]: lol
sabren [4k?\]: ^^
toople [11k\]: s6
takagawa13 [3k\]: s5 really good
GeoProbe [4d\]: if i were b, i would Q5
takagawa13 [3k\]: o3 after
GeoProbe [4d\]: s5 seems risky
mitora [6k\]: w q5 must not be allowed?
just9x9 [-\]: oh, tartrate playing
jSd [8k\]: wtf?N
jSd [8k\]: TARTEREATE
abc123d: orly
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
kjp [1k\]: what is the time setup of the turnament
KopiPeng [6d\]: who is tartrate? white or black?
just9x9 [-\]: w i thought
freddygo [5k\]: s4
USGO1 [-\]: Kim is nodding his head faintly as though counting points
abc123d: nodding as in falling asleep
loveHER [6d\]: dinerchtein said white is tartrate
KopiPeng [6d\]: i see.
BenSenTen [?\]: any further info of b??
csgo [?\]: s6 looks good, force w to finish there
KopiPeng [6d\]: USGO1 gives us interesting observations from the scene
BenSenTen [?\]: usgo1?
sc1003 [5k\]: any web to watch live?
Onmyoji [2d\]: there is video too
abc123d: oh, dilemma!
InABuzz [-\]: right
Ichigokun [5k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
goshko [8k\]: o3 best move for me )
VanEeden [5d\]: right now, it's hard for b to kill all of w center
abc123d: tartrate or two koreans at european tournament? :))
matsui: n6
InABuzz [-\]: o3 q5 very bad
kjp [1k\]: please: what is the time setup of the game
takagawa13 [3k\]: is he korean
takagawa13 [3k\]: ?,,
gopro [1k\]: best move is?  run away!!!
InABuzz [-\]: i like q5^
goshko [8k\]: do you think p 6 is dead if b connects?
InABuzz [-\]: and fight fight fight
toople [11k\]: come on... i can see the're played...
BenSenTen [?\]: q5 seems good
goshko [8k\]: o3 q5 s4
loveHER [6d\]: imo just s4...
BenSenTen [?\]: but w would have the corner
freddygo [5k\]: q5 leads to same result as s4
freddygo [5k\]: ?
VanEeden [5d\]: Q5 leaves w S4, which is a huge loss for b
toople [11k\]: have they stopped inputting moves?
VanEeden [5d\]: also, it weakens b corner group
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;B[qn]
;W[rn]C[InABuzz [-\]: gosko: letting w connect is horror
goshko [8k\]: kk
KillerMonk [4d\]: the game will be decided in the center 
freddygo [5k\]: wow, no one mentioned r6
BenSenTen [?\]: come on , give up the corner n kill pls
]
;B[rp]C[KopiPeng [6d\]: black seems not to be too strong?
]
;W[lo]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
toople [11k\]: thanks USGO
loveHER [6d\]: lol this was bad
abc123d: what?
VanEeden [5d\]: w spent b's time on this move ^^
norg [3k\]: w seems better than b at the moment...
KopiPeng [6d\]: R6.....
InABuzz [-\]: empty traingle in dan games is always strong^
loveHER [6d\]: black rather have r6 then q5 
freddygo [5k\]: w is professional which is why 7 dan is having trouble
gopro [1k\]: N6?
KopiPeng [6d\]: black simply plays S4 and if white S6, black playing at Q5 is surely better than R6?
BenSenTen [?\]: b should attack center w, which is much bigger than corner
Breaker [4k?\]: w 8p nice
Gay [5d\]: yeah, now w can play  q5 in sente
Breaker [4k?\]: is he at tv?
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;B[lm]
;W[km]
;B[kl]C[Toge [1k\]: What would be the point to play Q5?
Gay [5d\]: sente +1 point ofcourse
VanEeden [5d\]: love: indeed, if b Q5 instead of R6, there's aji at S3
VanEeden [5d\]: Q5 takes a liberty in the center
BenSenTen [?\]: now i agree b will lose...
USGO1 [-\]: AGA website updated with photos of top 2 boards!
loveHER [6d\]: yes but he takes the liberty of the two stones
]
;W[kn]
;B[jl]C[loveHER [6d\]: if white o3 now
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org
loveHER [6d\]: black still must play in the corner
loveHER [6d\]: otherwise white r4
InABuzz [-\]: center is 30 ponts allready now
Breaker [4k?\]: usgo
tvirlip [5k?\]: crosscut and let's see the fight!
InABuzz [-\]: w side only 10
VanEeden [5d\]: R4! nice
gopro [1k\]: N7
]
;W[im]C[VanEeden [5d\]: but w will run now
InABuzz [-\]: running with zero points
InABuzz [-\]: b gains with every move
abc123d: w plenty of points
loveHER [6d\]: white has enough points ~_~
]
;B[co]C[Breaker [4k?\]: w alot of points
Breaker [4k?\]: .....
Ras [19k\]: eh deja vu
toople [11k\]: r4 is beyond me...
ganesha0 [2k\]: where is B therritory?
sfrex [1k\]: pro8d? what chance do b has
InABuzz [-\]: this is what g3 made fat^^
Toge [1k\]: Yes, but doesn't change the fact that w runs with no points.
VanEeden [5d\]: buzz: correction, w also gains, by deleting b lower terr
abc123d: toop, r4 only if desperate and need a tesuji for p5 wall
norg [3k\]: Isn't w strong enough on the board just to c4?
mitora [6k\]: white runs with all the points black could have had there
InABuzz [-\]: ok: never said b wins this vanEaden^
loveHER [6d\]: you dont expect making points when you are invading
toople [11k\]: thanks abc123d
loveHER [6d\]: altho white made a few pts with s5
jayantu [4k\]: KO!
InABuzz [-\]: lol
BenSenTen [?\]: u do, invade is to make points in opponent's territory
InABuzz [-\]: where and how?
norg [3k\]: There is always a ko
VanEeden [5d\]: the thing w worries most about, is having leverage against b positions
InABuzz [-\]: you reada ko???
loveHER [6d\]: if white answers at d5 , black can later live with d2
]
;W[do]C[jayantu [4k\]: i just read get strong at ... kibitz
InABuzz [-\]: hehe :D
Shana [2d\]: awesome book right?
abc123d: :)
]
;B[fm]C[VanEeden [5d\]: who guessed D5?
abc123d: a 5d
Hoyuk [13k\]: chwan wrote that book
jayantu [4k\]: yes i stidied it hard but my playing didnt improve ;(
asder: how old is b?
BenSenTen [?\]: d5 is a k to p move
USGO1 [-\]: w has 1 hour 36 remaining
USGO1 [-\]: b has 1 hour 30
Breaker [4k?\]: usgo..
xedover [5k?\]: JiaNing Gan is 12 years old
InABuzz [-\]: i have 2 hour 30 only!
VanEeden [5d\]: w may well O3 now
toople [11k\]: that close? i thought it was mostly b\\s thinking time
zxcvnbm: b is canadian
ganesha0 [2k\]: g6?
mitora [6k\]: what does it mean "k to p" ?
zxcvnbm: i've seen that kid
]
;W[gr]C[jayantu [4k\]: lol xedover
]
;B[hr]C[norg [3k\]: It can't be fair, putting a pro against a 12 year old :P
chwan [6d\]: Hello! Fellow Kibitz-ers!!
jayantu [4k\]: i dont believe that
VanEeden [5d\]: hi
]
;W[hn]C[norg [3k\]: It's Chwan! :D
chwan [6d\]: Hi :) norg
xedover [5k?\]: see his picture here: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/TransAtlanticYouth/
chwan [6d\]: r u happy today? norg
abc123d: actually, kids have excellent concentration skills, so they are great at battles
]
;B[io]C[jayantu [4k\]: KO! again
]
;W[jm]C[mitora [6k\]: wow Chwan is 6d at kibitz??
abc123d: and reading
VanEeden [5d\]: H6... w must be aiming at G5
jayantu [4k\]: lol
norg [3k\]: I am sad, because my 1k account is overranked, and I wish it wasn't :P
]
;B[go]C[chwan [6d\]: I m just a beginner in kibitz, mitora. still learning my trade:)
chwan [6d\]: i c, norg :(  
Hoyuk [13k\]: hi chwan! glad for you to join us ! ^^
VanEeden [5d\]: the cut at M8 is shining bright
mitora [6k\]: maybe you spent too much time actually playing :/
Hoyuk [13k\]: we are honored by your presence
chwan [6d\]: Hi Hoyuk! I know u must be happy today:)
Firebird [3k\]: i guess h9 is the move, but i don't see w gaining much there
InABuzz [-\]: wow g2 was huge
Hoyuk [13k\]: i am ^^
tvirlip [5k?\]: h9 then m8 cut is even better
chwan [6d\]: ^^
jayantu [4k\]: w m8   b m9
chwan [6d\]: black plays quite strangely
abc123d: how so?
zifir [-\]: w is strong ^^
USGO1 [-\]: w just almost placed a stone, then thought better and put it back
sameasyou [2d\]: b potential is less than w
chwan [6d\]: R6 direction is ...... questionable
VanEeden [5d\]: w may cut first and try to squeeze
toople [11k\]: wb usgo
jayantu [4k\]: now we see chwan kibitz strength :)
abc123d: w's reputation as tartrate is at stake here, he better think twice
ganesha0 [2k\]: m8 m9 would be contradict last B moves
jayantu [4k\]: :)
chwan [6d\]: :) jayantu
Hoyuk [13k\]: w seems distracted by something, because earlier w looked around nervously, and now this
VanEeden [5d\]: oh. his wife showed up
jayantu [4k\]: but w isnt alive then 
abc123d: perhaps his imaginary friend went missing
loveHER [6d\]: where did he almost palce that stone?
toople [11k\]: hehe
ganesha0 [2k\]: may be he has 15 yo lover...
meuns [2k\]: m8 
jayantu [4k\]: here i
chwan [6d\]: lol. I guess so. Wife's is the weak point for even the strongest player^^
Hoyuk [13k\]: maybe sai went to the bathroom, and thought he should wait for him to approve
]
;W[gl]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: seems n6 important point for w. May be good move for b,  place stone there?
jayantu [4k\]: who said h9
minismurf [-\]: no thanks
jayantu [4k\]: quite good
toto3K: hello everybody ,r the 2 players pro ?
VanEeden [5d\]: "Jianing, don't forget take a rest, Dear. Oh btw, i invited the Wang's for diner. Don't b late"
USGO1 [-\]: w is pro
USGO1 [-\]: b is amateur
chwan [6d\]: white is PRO, i dont know about black though
toto3K: thx
tvirlip [5k?\]: I said h9... G8 looks much better...
Hoyuk [13k\]: chwan is pro kibitzer
USGO1 [-\]: b is also fairly young
]
;B[ll]C[Hometet [9k\]: hi
ganesha0 [2k\]: wa...
Socratizer [5k\]: USGO, which pros are playing in the open? Myungwan, Mingjiu...any of the foreign players?
comebeatme [?\]: we r pro watchers
USGO1 [-\]: Gan is only 12
Hoyuk [13k\]: i am taking the pro kibitz exam this year
Hometet [9k\]: wat city they are playing?
abc123d: solid
chwan [6d\]: lol, Hoyuk
Hoyuk [13k\]: xD
chwan [6d\]: wondering if white O3 is sente?
Socratizer [5k\]: talking about pro level kibbitz is kinda an amateur kibbitzing move
loveHER [6d\]: i think it is
]
;W[ii]C[Novalys [2k\]: w is out
Novalys [2k\]: b loses 
Onmyoji [2d\]: w win
Novalys [2k\]: :  /
tvirlip [5k?\]: Wow.
Novalys [2k\]: quick game
VanEeden [5d\]: J11 !
chwan [6d\]: black stones are not efficient....
loveHER [6d\]: ok..i didnt see this one coming =\\
zxcvnbm: lol what r u talking about
]
;B[ih]C[zxcvnbm: there's plenty of game left
abc123d: w laughing
chwan [6d\]: even the so called 'thickness' black stones are all congested together
Novalys [2k\]: no potential for b
Onmyoji [2d\]: only smal center
tvirlip [5k?\]: Isn't this game over now?
Onmyoji [2d\]: :E
Novalys [2k\]: w is scary *-*
VanEeden [5d\]: yes chwan, we talked about that already ^^
]
;W[ij]C[abc123d: w scary big bad wold
XSpanier [1k\]: ws name is already scary
]
;B[jj]C[VanEeden [5d\]: w scary, but b seems a little helpful too
XSpanier [1k\]: i would immediately resign
]
;W[fl]C[norg [3k\]: This is what comes of trying to take on Tartrate
USGO1 [-\]: w is certainly an older and more experienced player
chwan [6d\]: i see, VanEeden, sorry i just arrived 
Hometet [9k\]: names whan .. kim.. joo are scary
Hoyuk [13k\]: i think w is beginning a new trend, called "you've got kim-med"
cloud [2d\]: w is tartare?
VanEeden [5d\]: never mind, just kidding 
chwan [6d\]: i like that Kim-med !!!
Toge [1k\]: Yes he is cloud.
]
;B[em]C[abc123d: USGO, can u ask Myung if he is tartrate?
USGO1 [-\]: no
norg [3k\]: But he is
abc123d: not right now of course
MoogleOo [-\]: C8
Hoyuk [13k\]: ^^ i hope black does not get kimmed too quickly
VanEeden [5d\]: J10 is in a nice position now: if b G7, w J8
loveHER [6d\]: c8 feels natural, but i dunno, d2 would still live
tvirlip [5k?\]: Maybe it's a good time to close top left corner now?
chwan [6d\]: doesn't suspense adds more beauty ?
mitora [6k\]: why the tartrate suspicion? just because he's 8p?
jSd [8k\]: je suis le roi du mondeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
mccrusty [2k\]: breakfast claims he is; but breakfast is a gossipgirl
chwan [6d\]: why the need to find out who tartrate really is:)
sc1003 [5k\]: he is sai
norg [3k\]: Dr Straw told us he is
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: indeed
loveHER [6d\]: dinercthein wrote a while back that he was told this guy is tartrate
abc123d: by the tooth fairy
norg [3k\]: Didn't someone figure it out as well?
cloud [2d\]: ehh sorry didn't mean to start all this
loveHER [6d\]: its not 100% sure, but he sounded pretty confident about it
chwan [6d\]: white D9?
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: ok
GeoProbe [4d\]: what does tartrate mean in this context any1?
chwan [6d\]: hi Wooly~
KillerMonk [4d\]: Gamne commentary on usgo4
]
;W[el]
;B[dm]C[cloud [2d\]: why not w h4?
]
;W[cn]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]:  G'day chwan
xedover [5k?\]: Maeda Ryo 6P will now do a commentary on the Game 1 (so far): see usgo4
chwan [6d\]: r u at the US GO Congress, Wooly?
VanEeden [5d\]: E8! one more brutish move ^^
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: no
loveHER [6d\]: http://gosensations.com/index.php?id=2&server_id=1&new_id=55
loveHER [6d\]: this is one
]
;B[ck]C[chwan [6d\]: E8 is kind of....... maybe amateurish.... but its played by a PRO XD
loveHER [6d\]: http://gosensations.com/index.php?id=2&server_id=1&new_id=53
loveHER [6d\]: this is two
GeoProbe [4d\]: ok thx lovHER
goshko [8k\]: l3 or k2 for w?
XSpanier [1k\]: lol now i see the p xD thought he was just 8d
norg [3k\]: http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8148&highlight=tartrate
mez [13k\]: "just"
tvirlip [5k?\]: chwan, the moves which looks amateurish but played by pros are called "proper" :)
USGO1 [-\]: American Go Association does not give rank above 7d
chwan [6d\]: PROs make mistakes too, they are humans too :)
VanEeden [5d\]: 7d highest ama rank worldwide, i think
Novalys [2k\]: I just saw a 1p missing 10k shape yesterday ^^
Novalys [2k\]: it was funny
gopro [1k\]: well probably is going to play in A1 to T10 area
norg [3k\]: 10k shape is empty triangle, though :P
Novalys [2k\]: no a bit more complicated, but just have to read the fundamentals to know it
GeoProbe [4d\]: maybe that 1p got a 9p shape instead
Novalys [2k\]: No geoprobe
chwan [6d\]: in the recent BC World Batuk Championship, TOP PROS also make silly mistakes
Novalys [2k\]: he just missed it
Novalys [2k\]: ^^
Novalys [2k\]: She* actually
Novalys [2k\]: '(still won the game though)
InABuzz [-\]: maybe you missed something^^
VanEeden [5d\]: NO HUMANS DISCUSSION HERE
Novalys [2k\]: no, it was audio comment by guojuan inabuzz
jSd [8k\]: lololol*
jSd [8k\]: im the king of ther worldf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Novalys [2k\]: w c15 ?
chwan [6d\]: allow me to quote, Koboyashi 9P ''GO is about who makes the least mistakes' :)
USGO1 [-\]: b seems to be counting now
Novalys [2k\]: kobayashi*
USGO1 [-\]: he is eyeing the bottom right corner
gopro [1k\]: king of the worldf?
chwan [6d\]: yes, Kobayashi :)
XSpanier [1k\]: isnt it whites turn?
mitora [6k\]: jSd you should put a couple 1 after your !!! for more impact
GeoProbe [4d\]: b aiming at H8 i think
tvirlip [5k?\]: B is counting... Resign is coming?
toople [11k\]: yeah bottom-right
SergeyASh [12k\]: d8! )
VanEeden [5d\]: w thinking hard about a way to pocket the game, or is he having a break?
mitora [6k\]: basic kibitz knowledge
Novalys [2k\]: c14 
chwan [6d\]: KIDS dont resign!!
InABuzz [-\]: c3 corner still aji? i doubt after g2 or?
Hoyuk [13k\]: listen to uncle chwan
BenjaminGl [12k?\]: Whats USGO?
chwan [6d\]: omg.......... i m just too old :(
minismurf [-\]: in what way does G2 remove aji in the corner?
VanEeden [5d\]: uncle chwan lol
Hoyuk [13k\]: lol
abc123d: hshs
Mediumdave [8k\]: u.s. go
USGO1 [-\]: US Go Congress
BenjaminGl [12k?\]: no video?
]
;W[mq]C[VanEeden [5d\]: how many participants?
toople [11k\]: thar you go
USGO1 [-\]: White hesitated and withdrew his hand once before making this move
abc123d: not sente but big
Mediumdave [8k\]: thar she blows, ready the harpoon!
GeoProbe [4d\]: don't quite understand N3.
VanEeden [5d\]: it's hard when the game goes well for you
Novalys [2k\]: S4 threatened maybe 
Elscouta [2k\]: protected n5 cut
]
;B[np]
;W[nq]C[xedover [5k?\]: video: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
GeoProbe [4d\]: b E10 and w will be back to the game i think
]
;B[op]C[Novalys [2k\]: looks like S3 has aji
]
;W[kq]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: and B will be back to the game
VanEeden [5d\]: N3 takes points, and aims at attacking both Q3 ans K3
MagnusM84 [1d?\]: big this is
GeoProbe [4d\]: O4 is weak.
]
;B[fc]C[toople [11k\]: probably i thought it :)
GeoProbe [4d\]: i moves to capture those 3 stones and let w live? that's bad.
cloud [2d\]: why f17 and not c17?
]
;W[ec]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: which round is this?
KoshiKun [6k\]: 6?
abc123d: 4
USGO1 [-\]: 1
loveHER [6d\]: white plays beutifully..
USGO1 [-\]: Round 1
KoshiKun [6k\]: oh
KoshiKun [6k\]: so its a different tournament?
minismurf [-\]: There is a European Congress playing too
GeoProbe [4d\]: C17 is better than f 17 i think
abc123d: oh sorry, got confused with EGC :)
USGO1 [-\]: Different than what?
minismurf [-\]: should be pretty easy to tell them apart if you have been around :)
GeoProbe [4d\]: but still E10 instead of O4 is better
KoshiKun [6k\]: oh
abc123d: korean.. err i mean... european go congress
KoshiKun [6k\]: its us go
KoshiKun [6k\]: not euro go
]
;B[cf]C[USGO1 [-\]: Kim is very tight-lipped
VanEeden [5d\]: he should use wax
meuns [2k\]: lol
Hoyuk [13k\]: lol
]
;W[fd]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: is his ears red?
GeoProbe [4d\]: are
]
;B[cc]C[jSd [8k\]: yes
toople [11k\]: ooo
jSd [8k\]: i are golod
USGO1 [-\]: no
]
;W[cd]
;B[bd]C[VanEeden [5d\]: The Famous Lip-Stiffening Move
GeoProbe [4d\]: :)
]
;W[be]
;B[bc]
;W[ce]
;B[eb]
;W[fb]
;B[db]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: a good kim-ming is coming
]
;W[gc]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: this game is ending soon i think
abc123d: poor result for b
]
;B[mo]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: could be worse
abc123d: yeah, passing would have been worse :)
uguryldz [8k\]: big gote
Novalys [2k\]: all the games are about big fights ^^
evanj [2d\]: how old is b?
Novalys [2k\]: (congress games that is)
cloud [2d\]: 12
evanj [2d\]: jesus
toople [11k\]: how close when people say it is over...? by how many stones?
Hoyuk [13k\]: amen
]
;W[jr]C[gopro [1k\]: they start teaching when there still in the whomb
GeoProbe [4d\]: w playing super safe moves.
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count w+25.5
LedZepplin [2d\]: K2 isn't small?
toople [11k\]: wow..
kiddai [7k\]: isnt it sente?
evanj [2d\]: yes
InABuzz [-\]: no
LedZepplin [2d\]: its sente?
chwan [6d\]: white is aiming the whole black group of F3
LedZepplin [2d\]: no
VanEeden [5d\]: K2 threatens b eye shape
LedZepplin [2d\]: its not?
mitora [6k\]: w wants to make 100% sure he has 2 eyes?
InABuzz [-\]: i mean kinda
getrock: sente
InABuzz [-\]: but b will play left side anyway
]
;B[ci]C[evanj [2d\]: has to
InABuzz [-\]: see
chwan [6d\]: as long as black is not totally alive, black cant make use of the aji in white lower left corner
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
VanEeden [5d\]: it's cash, + some leverage against b
chwan [6d\]: now white B8 is very happy:)
VanEeden [5d\]: yeah, but he might D8 as wel
GeoProbe [4d\]: i bet w will play p2
chwan [6d\]: Mr KIM, please play B8..... make it my DAY!!
]
;W[rb]C[chwan [6d\]: grrrrrr!!!
]
;B[cm]C[zxcvnbm: he knows he's good
zxcvnbm: so he's taking it easy
]
;W[bn]C[chwan [6d\]: at least black reads my kibitz and agrees that B8 is big ^^
]
;B[so]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: in fact, s18 will make b play  t 18, 
]
;W[rm]
;B[or]C[chwan [6d\]: I just came back from USGo4 commentaries. white R8 is a good move!
GeoProbe [4d\]: and that will make it a little bit more fun to watch this game
]
;W[dj]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: audi r8....worx for me
VanEeden [5d\]: worst for mee
SergeyASh [12k\]: i think w win ~ 30-40 points. 
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has stood up to get a beverage
evanj [2d\]: champagne?
GeoProbe [4d\]: b is much better now than 10 moves ago
Hoyuk [13k\]: butterbeer?
USGO1 [-\]: looks like coffee
evanj [2d\]: thx for the inside scoop
zen [1k\]: milk? sugar? :)
jSd [8k\]: what is a kikashi?
USGO1 [-\]: I do what I can
Hoyuk [13k\]: mmm coffee...
USGO1 [-\]: milk and sugar
chwan [6d\]: white seems only ahead by less than 10 points
zen [1k\]: haha cool
toople [11k\]: hehehe
artboy598 [4k\]: a kikashi is a forcing move
GeoProbe [4d\]: milk will make him sleepy
chwan [6d\]: but with komi, its more than enough
USGO1 [-\]: He is now talking to a Korean pro spectator
Hoyuk [13k\]: seems w came from a long night of drinking, and needs caffeine
USGO1 [-\]: OK he's back
evanj [2d\]: ah yes, with coffee and all.
evanj [2d\]: wish i could be there at the congress, it's in my hometown :(
GeoProbe [4d\]: i like that USGO
toople [11k\]: margin for error is pretty small at this level i guess
USGO1 [-\]: There are two young female Korean pros walking around in the room
GeoProbe [4d\]: where is ur hometown?
zen [1k\]: you guys should get webcams there like eurogotv
esko [2k\]: usgo, is it allowed to talk too others?
chwan [6d\]: actually alcohol has a mind stimulating effect if consume in situable quantities
abc123d: lol evanj, why can't oyu?
cloud [2d\]: d2 is a failure?
]
;B[dk]C[evanj [2d\]: washington dc
toople [11k\]: kid should improve his posture...
]
;W[ej]C[GeoProbe [4d\]: i like D9
evanj [2d\]: can't just take a week off these days ufnortunately :(
evanj [2d\]: I went back in 96, 97
evanj [2d\]: in high school
]
;B[bm]
;W[hh]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]: He is allowed to talk to an onlooker during the game?
zen [1k\]: why not?
]
;B[hg]
;W[jh]C[Mihan [3k\]: omg someone might help a 8p on spot. 
]
;B[ig]C[esko [2k\]: cheating?
toople [11k\]: o dear
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: What if the onlooker give him advise?
evanj [2d\]: they haven't been watching his game
Hoyuk [13k\]: m12 looks nice aji
zen [1k\]: why would a 8p need advice?
GeoProbe [4d\]: but dont like b7
Mihan [3k\]: that would be a god awesome onlooker. 
holycarp [-\]: yeah
]
;W[gh]C[esko [2k\]: when u watch ur stronger 
minismurf [-\]: it is true in general, you are allowed to talk to others as long as they dont give advise/comment on game
]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]C[chongkukim [2k\]: usgo time ?
abc123d: go rules are about friendliness, less strict, more common sense
GeoProbe [4d\]: H13 is the losing move..
holycarp [-\]: what he can tell you f14 g13 g14 e15 e14 d14 d13 c13 b14 b13 something like that?
USGO1 [-\]: b has 1:15 on the clock, I can't see w
]
;B[il]C[holycarp [-\]: that would be very lol
InABuzz [-\]: b5 does something?
GeoProbe [4d\]: any move is better than that i think.
cloud [2d\]: d2
chongkukim [2k\]: usgo thx
Hoyuk [13k\]: d2 good
]
;W[ir]C[abc123d: lol when did white manage to sneak in s18? didn't even notice
evanj [2d\]: congress still uses ing rules?
abc123d: b is really done for
]
;B[hp]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: why did b h4?
InABuzz [-\]: b smells a ko
]
;W[ln]
;B[mn]C[cloud [2d\]: congress uses AGA rules
zen [1k\]: i guess he wants sente
evanj [2d\]: but ing stones...
GoGetta [-\]: White is up about 20 points
cloud [2d\]: well the ing masters uses ing rules i think
artboy598 [4k\]: It's pretty close now
InABuzz [-\]: not close at all:(
abc123d: if w forces b to take m12, even more
artboy598 [4k\]: whats the rule set
]
;W[gg]C[ganesha0 [2k\]: close?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: s16 is quite big now.
InABuzz [-\]: if t18
ygz5001 [8k\]: i want to ask where can i see the p go play in us?
abc123d: g1
Mihan [3k\]: on internet
ygz5001 [8k\]: ....
artboy598 [4k\]: W ahead bey about 20 pots.
Hoyuk [13k\]: yes ygz, you may ask
artboy598 [4k\]: by*
]
;B[kh]C[abc123d: b just resign
evanj [2d\]: ouch b
Sandalphon [5d\]: w isn't that far ahead.. but having to play L12 hurts
uguryldz [8k\]: j15
InABuzz [-\]: d12
Sandalphon [5d\]: don't trust SE people, it's really, really wrong... there's a lot of endgame play here
crius [15k?\]: oh,,,
zen [1k\]: h15 looks nice
]
;W[dh]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: i trust se
abc123d: in se we trust
Mihan [3k\]: All endgame I can see is w reducing b. 
]
;B[hl]
;W[gj]
;B[gs]
;W[er]C[abc123d: last chance
InABuzz [-\]: i see b is reducing w
cloud [2d\]: hmmm
]
;B[an]
;W[ao]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: ?
zifir [-\]: i see dead people 
]
;B[am]
;W[bo]C[zxcvnbm: u see what u want to see
]
;B[ch]C[crius [15k?\]: white is wrong?
GeoProbe [4d\]: connecting iw bigger than D12 i think
ygz5001 [8k\]: ??
Sandalphon [5d\]: wait, black can't kill M6?
Sandalphon [5d\]: oh
Sandalphon [5d\]: guess not
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
LedZepplin [2d\]: no
]
;W[ie]C[zen [1k\]: no
evanj [2d\]: no
cloud [2d\]: n1 or o2?
]
;B[he]C[Grokken [10k\]: no
]
;W[gf]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: no
]
;B[hf]
;W[hd]C[evanj [2d\]: no
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
abc123d: maybe
Sandalphon [5d\]: I like all the no's... :P
]
;B[ge]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: yes
Sandalphon [5d\]: cute
InABuzz [-\]: yes
]
;W[rd]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: yes
zifir [-\]: yes
crius [15k?\]: white is bad
Grokken [10k\]: yes
Hoyuk [13k\]: yes
]
;B[re]C[cloud [2d\]: n1 or o2 dont kill.. i am just saying b should play one of them
]
;W[sc]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: lollers
USGO1 [-\]: both playing faster
]
;B[ne]
;W[me]C[Turles [5k?\]: some troll said white is bad...
artboy598 [4k\]: Im reading out M2 maybe
crius [15k?\]: M4
zifir [-\]: möe 2
zifir [-\]: me
Hoyuk [13k\]: b should have o16
InABuzz [-\]: d13
Sandalphon [5d\]: no the reason why black can't kill is that w has g6
]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[lp]C[zifir [-\]: now no 
]
;W[kp]C[zifir [-\]: ^^
]
;B[mp]
;W[gn]C[InABuzz [-\]: seki is funny (se)
]
;B[eo]
;W[is]C[InABuzz [-\]: g7 and resign
Sandalphon [5d\]: black ahead right now
sc1003bro [3k\]: lelly
cloud [2d\]: by how much?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: SE is still so bad at corner tsumego.
USGO1 [-\]: b has a hand full of stones
malaka [1d\]: ahead?
malaka [1d\]: you kidding?
Sandalphon [5d\]: maybe 5 or 6
abc123d: b behind
Hometet [9k\]: b14
USGO1 [-\]: b is counting
crius [15k?\]: white is dead?
InABuzz [-\]: b will resign now:(
artboy598 [4k\]: B ahead
InABuzz [-\]: thx usgo
]
;B[bf]C[toople [11k\]: funny to see the commends
Onmyoji [2d\]: se says w ahead
]
;W[ad]C[artboy598 [4k\]: SE LIES!!!!!!!!!!
]
;B[ac]
;W[ae]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: se rocks!!!!!!!!
crius [15k?\]: pugya
malaka [1d\]: black's never ahead now
Onmyoji [2d\]: se has never lied to me :(
sc1003bro [3k\]: the first move he ahead
menikmati [4k\]: gnu go says w+10
]
;B[ba]C[toople [11k\]: SE?
Grokken [10k\]: se says black is dead in top left
dfgty: lol
sdfgsgs: who is SE?
crius [15k?\]: lolo
Grokken [10k\]: no wait no its alive
gocrazy432 [11k\]: not anymore
Onmyoji [2d\]: se my friend
ygz5001 [8k\]: where're these palyers from?
]
;W[dg]C[MChow [6k\]: score estimate
cloud [2d\]: i think w leads by 6 or 7
InABuzz [-\]: gnu go is oO+
gocrazy432 [11k\]: score estamate = se
artboy598 [4k\]: SE is for noobs
Hoyuk [13k\]: our profit
abc123d: *prophet
VanEeden [5d\]: that's my favorite song: SE says, SE says
Onmyoji [2d\]: se is for pros
Hoyuk [13k\]: *yes
toople [11k\]: /me noob
Mofioi [5k\]: se never lies
]
;B[df]C[artboy598 [4k\]: digital SE is for noobs
InABuzz [-\]: se says by velvet underground? hmm
sc1003bro [3k\]: se says white dead
Grokken [10k\]: yeah
toople [11k\]: like
sc1003bro [3k\]: se says black lead
]
;W[af]C[malaka [1d\]: w+15
Hoyuk [13k\]: se says w awesome, check it out
]
;B[bg]C[sc1003bro [3k\]: se says black c14  dead
crius [15k?\]: this is cruel.lolol
artboy598 [4k\]: i believe B ahead
cloud [2d\]: b is not winning
evanj [2d\]: n oway b is ahead
sc1003bro [3k\]: se says W+25.5
]
;W[hs]C[InABuzz [-\]: w 15+
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Big
InABuzz [-\]: without counting at all
malaka [1d\]: black has no expectation to win
crius [15k?\]: b is winning
malaka [1d\]: he shouls resign
InABuzz [-\]: he will right NOW
USGO1 [-\]: I should mention again, b is very young
abc123d: b is winning the loser's hat
]
;B[ff]
;W[fg]C[crius [15k?\]: lol
Sandalphon [5d\]: also: tartrate is john stamos
Gresil [-\]: how old is kim?
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: so he wont resing easily  :)
toople [11k\]: heheh abc
cloud [2d\]: sandal why didn't you go to congress?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim is in his 30s
USGO1 [-\]: 31 perhaps
Sandalphon [5d\]: Visiting my girlfriend's mom
crius [15k?\]: By the way, what is "8p" ?
cloud [2d\]: eek
USGO1 [-\]: pro 8 dan
InABuzz [-\]: 12 years old, its a shame, schould play outside in the woods
gocrazy432 [11k\]: e dan pro level
gocrazy432 [11k\]: *8
]
;B[ee]C[crius [15k?\]: really?????
mitora [6k\]: L12 became superfluous
crius [15k?\]: pro??
Novalys [2k\]: gote ?
Grokken [10k\]: no
]
;W[qi]C[Novalys [2k\]: yeas ^^
CX1000: yes
Grokken [10k\]: p means "pathetic"
Grokken [10k\]: they are beginners
cloud [2d\]: r11 should have been black's sente
]
;B[gd]
;W[fe]C[Novalys [2k\]: but E15 looks bad move
evanj [2d\]: oops
malaka [1d\]: .....
]
;B[jg]C[Novalys [2k\]: ahah
]
;W[ef]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: What a shame.
Coffeeman [4k?\]: heh
CX1000: ._.
frktos [2k\]: ^^
crius [15k?\]: pro is playing here?
InABuzz [-\]: haha
abc123d: lol
Novalys [2k\]: Resign after this
Onmyoji [2d\]: resign
malaka [1d\]: even before hi
malaka [1d\]: this
xedover [5k?\]: Kim's endgame is awesome
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: how comes pros can participate US congress ?
]
;B[de]C[abc123d: kim's endgame is pro
malaka [1d\]: by plane?
InABuzz [-\]: cause they are humans?
USGO1 [-\]: b made a tongue clicking noise after g16
malaka [1d\]: or perhaps they swim
]
;W[cj]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: lol
Novalys [2k\]: Wt19
]
;B[bj]
;W[ag]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: pros are not good swimmers
gocrazy432 [11k\]: you have to be an AGA member or pay $10 for tournament
evanj [2d\]: tongue-click = international language for "oh ($%$"
]
;B[ah]
;W[dc]C[Asaliuru [21k\]: pros aren't humans...
Hoyuk [13k\]: lol@evanj
Singer [1k?\]: Tartrate is superhuman
malaka [1d\]: of course they are
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: I mean, if all korea, china and japan drop in USA how can local win anything ?
InABuzz [-\]: ohh sh*** toungle-click
artboy598 [4k\]: not counting komi, I think it's close
]
;B[ms]
;W[lr]C[Singer [1k?\]: SE reckons about w+20
evanj [2d\]: it's not close, artboy
menikmati [4k\]: w+20i is very close
Snuva [?\]: +w a lot
Singer [1k?\]: And it doesn't appear to have made any epic errors
InABuzz [-\]: very indeed
]
;B[hc]C[Mihan [3k\]: They are americans. what do you mean by local?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: c13 is 3 points gote for w
]
;W[fa]C[toople [11k\]: omg
InABuzz [-\]: np
Onmyoji [2d\]: how strong is the strongest non asian player in usa?
trout [4d\]: at the moment, winning isn't important for local.
LedZepplin [2d\]: wah
LedZepplin [2d\]: poor b
artboy598 [4k\]: 9d
artboy598 [4k\]: 9p
CX1000: OMG!
trout [4d\]: learning is more important.
LedZepplin [2d\]: but it was sure
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: kim is not american
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: he is korean
LedZepplin [2d\]: 8p
LedZepplin [2d\]: and 7d
abc123d: you are not allowed to say 'non-asian US player', not politically correct
crius [15k?\]: pro 8d(8p) loses??   
VanEeden [5d\]: local color = b or w, not yellow
]
;B[da]C[artboy598 [4k\]: Im talking about M. Redmond
]
;W[id]C[InABuzz [-\]: hes still playing?
]
;B[sf]C[Mihan [3k\]: Doesnt redmond living in Korea and Korean?
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
]
;W[sn]
;B[sp]C[crius [15k?\]: enemy is 7d
]
;W[pi]C[cloud [2d\]: 7d onmyoji
]
;B[oi]
;W[ls]C[Socratizer [5k\]: yeah, Redmond possibly stronger than any player in the US.  Maybe Myungwan or Feng Yun stronger
Singer [1k?\]: Redmond < Jie Li
]
;B[sd]
;W[se]
;B[gb]
;W[fc]
;B[sd]
;W[cb]C[evanj [2d\]: why playing this ko?
]
;B[ca]
;W[se]C[crius [15k?\]: Jianing Gan is pro ?
cloud [2d\]: b is 12..
evanj [2d\]: no, crius
]
;B[ek]
;W[fk]
;B[sd]C[AntiAdmin [1d?\]: Not speaking about color, nationality, Kim is a korean korean, just spending time in US
]
;W[dl]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: h11 b
Grokken [10k\]: black is a 12 year-old amateur
Starwyvern [17k?\]: s11 b?
toople [11k\]: heheh usgo is behind... hehe
crius [15k?\]: But Myung-Wan Kim is pro?
Socratizer [5k\]: Well, do we know that about Kim? He's been here more than 12 months
Socratizer [5k\]: (I'm genuinely curious)
InABuzz [-\]: a 12 yeras old wonderboy you mean
]
;B[cl]
;W[se]C[evanj [2d\]: is eric lui still playing?
]
;B[hi]
;W[hj]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: ^^
]
;B[sd]C[ketchup [2k\]: just won
Socratizer [5k\]: eric lui is registered for congress
]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]
;W[se]C[ketchup [2k\]: oh wait oops
Sandalphon [5d\]: Yeah, but he got his training in Korea.... grew up there... not homegrown...
ketchup [2k\]: not eric
evanj [2d\]: how strong is he these days?
Singer [1k?\]: Will he be playing in the tournaments?
ketchup [2k\]: my fault, i was thinking of bbw
]
;B[fi]C[cloud [2d\]: board 2 is finished
evanj [2d\]: oh
]
;W[di]
;B[sd]C[InABuzz [-\]: homegrown dosnt kick me
Sandalphon [5d\]: strongest homegrown is what's interesting to me... Eric Lui is up there...
abc123d: b asking for trouble
InABuzz [-\]: sorry
Socratizer [5k\]: Was Andy Liu born in US?
Onmyoji [2d\]: b is korean?
Hoyuk [13k\]: f10 b
evanj [2d\]: last I knew of Eric Lui he was a 13-or-so-year-old 7 dan
]
;W[ai]C[Socratizer [5k\]: Yeah, Eric Lui is rated 8.5
cloud [2d\]: eric is 19 or 20 now i think
]
;B[bh]C[evanj [2d\]: wow, i'm getting old 
]
;W[se]C[evanj [2d\]: and not rated 8.5 either
crius [15k?\]: Jianing Gan is 12 old?? really? the lie is bad
Sandalphon [5d\]: and Andy Liu? did he grow up in the US?
MChow [6k\]: andy just beat kim chaelim
]
;B[gm]
;W[fj]
;B[sd]
;W[bk]C[cloud [2d\]: i dunno about andy..
]
;B[ak]
;W[se]
;B[hm]C[Novalys [2k\]: andy liu just destroyed kim chaelim, he did not just beat him
InABuzz [-\]: s14 for fun
crius [15k?\]: I see
cloud [2d\]: b needs b11 and b8 still.. so painful how little territory is on the left side
Mem0r3x [1k\]: l1 needed?
]
;W[sd]C[InABuzz [-\]: no
Novalys [2k\]: no
Mihan [3k\]: I gotta go. Are they really this close to fight that ko?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Oh nvm ^^
evanj [2d\]: no, mihan
abc123d: no mihan
evanj [2d\]: w is far ahead
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Didn't see connection
abc123d: some dan said b ahead a while ago, but he was delusional...
Socratizer [5k\]: Strongest homegrown is definitely an interesting question
]
;B[rf]C[USGO1 [-\]: black hesitates
]
;W[in]
;B[jo]
;W[ko]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: that was me :) and I was funnin
Onmyoji [2d\]: w leads over 20
]
;B[sg]
;W[ri]
;B[sh]
;W[si]
;B[ep]C[InABuzz [-\]: o16
]
;W[ns]C[toople [11k\]: l1?
Socratizer [5k\]: well, but it speaks to go culture in the US.
Lepenski [1k\]: W won
abc123d: yeye, it's all fun and games ... till someone loses an eye!!
InABuzz [-\]: hehe
]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]
;B[pe]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: lol
Socratizer [5k\]: How many chances there are to learn, etc. 
crius [15k?\]: Is korea's 8p is inferior to Japanese 8p? 
]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]
;W[hq]C[Socratizer [5k\]: No, reverse, crius
Arhiman [3k\]: white is not japanese
abc123d: neither is japanese
]
;B[os]
;W[hr]
;B[ho]
;W[ed]C[kiddai [7k\]: u can tell from the name..
Mihan [3k\]: I am not sure about that. 
]
;B[bl]C[Socratizer [5k\]: Competition is greater in Korea.
]
;W[ms]
;B[bi]
;W[lq]
;B[jp]
;W[jn]
;B[jq]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: easy game for w
albundy [2k\]: Kim, Lee, and Park are very popular Korean last names
]
;W[fn]
;B[en]C[InABuzz [-\]: c3! lol
evanj [2d\]: over
USGO1 [-\]: over
USGO1 [-\]: counting
InABuzz [-\]: roger
mitora [6k\]: c13!
VanEeden [5d\]: b is devastated
crius [15k?\]: is Korea's 8p equal to Japanese 9p?
cloud [2d\]: b is 12 he will be ok :)
Hoyuk [13k\]: say it with me:
abc123d: crius, stop it
trout [4d\]: there is mountain in the middle of seoul.
Hoyuk [13k\]: gan got kim-med
KillerMonk [4d\]: Myself, I think black did good , and I think he will definitely be a player to watch in the future
jSd [8k\]: tartrate big win?
evanj [2d\]: w + 25
sayang: hes tartrate?
abc123d: yet another notch for tartrate
ygz5001 [8k\]: is b chinese?
Asaliuru [21k\]: w + 26,5
crius [15k?\]: I'm sorry....
trout [4d\]: if you throw stone, you will hit either kim, lee or park.
Ras [18k\]: he captured his age in stones :D
USGO1 [-\]: b is chinese canadian
abc123d: lol Ras
abc123d: even more!
abc123d: there should be a special bonus for that :)
Ras [18k\]: double points!
crius [15k?\]: gg
toople [11k\]: um score?
crius [15k?\]: finish?
gocrazy432 [11k\]: w+24.5
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: I hope Gan wins.
abc123d: :)
abc123d: hopes dies last, wooly
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: sometimes
Singer [1k?\]: Tartrate+
artboy598 [4k\]: W+26.5
gocrazy432 [11k\]: unless theres a different kind of handicap
abc123d: USGO, how about asking Kim what his KGS nick is?
Arhiman [3k\]: haha funny abc
abc123d: y
Arhiman [3k\]: thinking kim got a KGS account
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: yep, funny
crius [15k?\]: I'm tired. because I must speak English
maksymko [6k\]: ask directly if he is tartrate
abc123d: yes, perhaps that's better
maksymko [6k\]: if he is, he will deny
abc123d: doubt it
abc123d: pro's don't lie
abc123d: maybe refuse to answer
maksymko [6k\]: if he isn't he'll say WTH is tartrate?
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Not an appropiate Q during a game
abc123d: game over, wooly
Grokken [10k\]: the game is over
Singer [1k?\]: I can count faster than pros! :D
meuns [2k\]: w+24 ^^'
abc123d: they are prolly discussig the game now
crius [15k?\]: I have a question. Kim is korea's pro?
meuns [2k\]: no
meuns [2k\]: aga rules
cloud [2d\]: gan is kim's son?
abc123d: uncle
cloud [2d\]: ah ok
Shukai [1d\]: wtb scpre
Shukai [1d\]: *score
artboy598 [4k\]: w+26.5
urim03 [7k\]: 24.5...
artboy598 [4k\]: it's AGA rules
crius [15k?\]: no? what is 8p? 
sombrerro [-\]: 8p 8 dan professional
meuns [2k\]: 8p is strong rank ^^
gocrazy432 [11k\]: 8 dan pro level
maksymko [6k\]: USGO, what is the score? why players left?
crius [15k?\]: 8p is not pro?
quer: what is going on here
KillerMonk [4d\]: 8p is pro 
KillerMonk [4d\]: the game is over both players have left
crius [15k?\]: what??
Singer [1k?\]: 8p is uberpro
KillerMonk [4d\]: Wite wins
gocrazy432 [11k\]: this had been a demo, the b&w are both usgo recording
gocrazy432 [11k\]: *has
sfrex [1k\]: how can a 5d count b ahead by 5-8even not f14 mistake
crius [15k?\]: gg
USGO1 [-\]: w wins by 20+
KillerMonk [4d\]: black was never ahead 
KillerMonk [4d\]: however, considering he was playing a 8p, I think he did very well for a 12 year old. 
Mem0r3x [1k\]: USGO1 [-\]: w wins by 20+
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